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Re: [kubuntu-kde3.5-users] KDE 3 users: what is missing in KDE 4?

From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@...>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:20:00 +0300
> Actually, I want is a spacer to created cleanly differentiated ares for
> starting icons, Systray, and various applets that I want to group into
> functional areas.

It's no shipped with KDE, but you can add this plasmoid:

>> > There are only two states of an icon. Full colored and slightly opaque
>> > when you move the mouse pointer over it. There is no difference between
>> > hovering with the mouse and clicking it. Screenshot doesn't help in this
>> > case.
>> But I need a KDE 3 screenshots of the different states to show them
>> how you'd like it. Trust me, that's the only way to file the bug such
>> that it won't be ignored. Otherwise the dev has too much left to his
>> imagination.
> See attachment. Icon1 is untouched and icon2 shows the icon when hovered over
> with the mouse. There is a difference of colors, but there is no further
> visual difference between hovering and clicking. KDE3 used to have an option
> of seeing the icon as if it were a pressed button. Does this explanation make
> it any clearer?

Yes, much clearer, thanks. Please attach KDE 3 screenshots (Not KDE 4
screenshots), to this bug:

>> > I call BS. Mounting, unmounting, properties, size, filesystem etc. are
>> > pieces of important information and I want to have these available before
>> > using a basically crappy file manager. My file manager is cp, mv, ls, dd
>> > and rm (plus cat and grep) and I'd like to use it on pluggable devices
>> > before starting Dolphin.
>> So why don't you mount manually?
> Because there are many more steps involved in doing it:
> * look at dmesg to see the exact device name
> * An external hard disk with more than one partition need looking at to decide
> which partition you want to mount, i.e. cfdisk or mount them all and then use
> "df"
> * mount device mountpoint
> * unmount /mountpoint

This sounds like something that you could probably write a small
application to help with. It would parse dmesg, list the available
partitions and optionally let you [un]mount them. You could probably
even do it in bash or python.

> It would be preferable to
> * get information about device and partitions before mounting
> * letting you decide which partition to mount OR
> * have them mounted automatically in standard places

KDE 4 in Kubuntu automatically mounts the devices, but you can unmount
them. It does not show mountpoints, however. It sounds like you are
asking for two features:
1) The choice whether or not to mount attached removable media.
2) Information regarding removable disk partitions on unmounted
attached removable media.

Is this right?

>> If your intention is to use the CLI
>> then I'm not sure exactly what you are requesting here. I'm not being
>> a smart-ass, I'm really trying to figure this out. What exactly is it
>> that you need here? Was it available in KDE 3?
> KDE3 took a different route: For each partition it showed you an individual
> icon. Right clicking on each of these you could see the type of file system,
> letting you mount/unmount it and/or open in konqueror. Gave you best of the
> two worlds between CLI and GUI.

Where was that info, on the desktop? Panel? Popup window?

>> > As I said, my file manager is 5 two letter words and I'd like to use it
>> > with pluggable devices. Give me a mount/umount/properties option on
>> > pluggable devices and I'll be happy. I don't need graphical overhead to
>> > do simple file operations.
>> Can you not mount from the CLI? Or if HAL automounts the device, why
>> can you not access it in /media or wherever else it is mounted?
> See, I haven't figured out automounting a device in KDE4 without editing
> /etc/fstab. I realize that this is probably the "real" way to do it, but
> somehow I have refrained from looking up UUIDs of each and every device I
> might plug in (5 external hard disks, 3 Memory Sticks). I had hoped for a
> clean GUI way of a) seeing the device and mount/unmount it in KDE.

Again, here it looks like you fit right between the cracks of the KDE3
GUI and the CLI. I would recommend to you that you write the bash
script that I suggested earlier. It would free you from the dependency
on GUI and you can add it as another two-letter word in your toolbox!

However, I am still happy to help you file the feature request, but we
need to define it well.

> Probably the easiest way of doing it (that's the route I am taking now) is to
> actually open it in Dolphin as soon as the device turns up. Opening all
> partitions in let's say 4 different Dolphin windows, closing these windows,
> goint to Konsole, do a "mount" and then work on the file system I need. With 4
> partitions, two of them NTFS, two of them ext3, I still need to figure out
> which ones I actually want to work with.

Script it!

>> Please give an example of your KDE 3 workflow so that I can see what
>> is missing in KDE 4.
> * Plug in device
> * Go to shell and start "mount" to see mount points and then cd to directory

No GUI tools here.

Dotan Cohen