> Actually, I want is a spacer to created cleanly differentiated ares for > starting icons, Systray, and various applets that I want to group into > functional areas. > It's no shipped with KDE, but you can add this plasmoid: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Panel+Spacer?content=89304 >> > There are only two states of an icon. Full colored and slightly opaque >> > when you move the mouse pointer over it. There is no difference between >> > hovering with the mouse and clicking it. Screenshot doesn't help in this >> > case. >> >> But I need a KDE 3 screenshots of the different states to show them >> how you'd like it. Trust me, that's the only way to file the bug such >> that it won't be ignored. Otherwise the dev has too much left to his >> imagination. > > See attachment. Icon1 is untouched and icon2 shows the icon when hovered over > with the mouse. There is a difference of colors, but there is no further > visual difference between hovering and clicking. KDE3 used to have an option > of seeing the icon as if it were a pressed button. Does this explanation make > it any clearer? > Yes, much clearer, thanks. Please attach KDE 3 screenshots (Not KDE 4 screenshots), to this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191873 Thanks! >> > I call BS. Mounting, unmounting, properties, size, filesystem etc. are >> > pieces of important information and I want to have these available before >> > using a basically crappy file manager. My file manager is cp, mv, ls, dd >> > and rm (plus cat and grep) and I'd like to use it on pluggable devices >> > before starting Dolphin. >> >> So why don't you mount manually? > > Because there are many more steps involved in doing it: > > * look at dmesg to see the exact device name > * An external hard disk with more than one partition need looking at to decide > which partition you want to mount, i.e. cfdisk or mount them all and then use > "df" > * mount device mountpoint > * unmount /mountpoint > This sounds like something that you could probably write a small application to help with. It would parse dmesg, list the available partitions and optionally let you [un]mount them. You could probably even do it in bash or python. > It would be preferable to > * get information about device and partitions before mounting > * letting you decide which partition to mount OR > * have them mounted automatically in standard places > KDE 4 in Kubuntu automatically mounts the devices, but you can unmount them. It does not show mountpoints, however. It sounds like you are asking for two features: 1) The choice whether or not to mount attached removable media. 2) Information regarding removable disk partitions on unmounted attached removable media. Is this right? >> If your intention is to use the CLI >> then I'm not sure exactly what you are requesting here. I'm not being >> a smart-ass, I'm really trying to figure this out. What exactly is it >> that you need here? Was it available in KDE 3? > > KDE3 took a different route: For each partition it showed you an individual > icon. Right clicking on each of these you could see the type of file system, > letting you mount/unmount it and/or open in konqueror. Gave you best of the > two worlds between CLI and GUI. > Where was that info, on the desktop? Panel? Popup window? >> > As I said, my file manager is 5 two letter words and I'd like to use it >> > with pluggable devices. Give me a mount/umount/properties option on >> > pluggable devices and I'll be happy. I don't need graphical overhead to >> > do simple file operations. >> >> Can you not mount from the CLI? Or if HAL automounts the device, why >> can you not access it in /media or wherever else it is mounted? > > See, I haven't figured out automounting a device in KDE4 without editing > /etc/fstab. I realize that this is probably the "real" way to do it, but > somehow I have refrained from looking up UUIDs of each and every device I > might plug in (5 external hard disks, 3 Memory Sticks). I had hoped for a > clean GUI way of a) seeing the device and mount/unmount it in KDE. > Again, here it looks like you fit right between the cracks of the KDE3 GUI and the CLI. I would recommend to you that you write the bash script that I suggested earlier. It would free you from the dependency on GUI and you can add it as another two-letter word in your toolbox! However, I am still happy to help you file the feature request, but we need to define it well. > Probably the easiest way of doing it (that's the route I am taking now) is to > actually open it in Dolphin as soon as the device turns up. Opening all > partitions in let's say 4 different Dolphin windows, closing these windows, > goint to Konsole, do a "mount" and then work on the file system I need. With 4 > partitions, two of them NTFS, two of them ext3, I still need to figure out > which ones I actually want to work with. > Script it! >> Please give an example of your KDE 3 workflow so that I can see what >> is missing in KDE 4. > > * Plug in device > * Go to shell and start "mount" to see mount points and then cd to directory > No GUI tools here. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il